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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 28, 2009 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

Great thread.

With the Grateful Dead it always seems to be more than singing about "that girl", or "the first time", or "my sweetheart". When it comes to GD songs and love, they tend to focus on other aspects of love. Love lost, the search for love, love denied, love delayed or the death of love.

It is Hunter's ability to convey love's bitter-sweet nature which draws the listener in on an emotional level.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Sep 28, 2009 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

Very well said.... that's what I get with It Must Have Been the Roses. It's not about how cute the girl is, it's not about sex, but it's about the deeper longing that happens maybe once in your lifetime - if you're lucky.

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Poster: Dan Russ Date: Sep 28, 2009 10:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

Lucky or not, I know I’ll carry that deeper longing with me until I die. It’s Hunters’ gift of prose, like you say high flow, and that emotional level where his words and Jerry’s delivery carry me is indeed intangible.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2009 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

What was her name, vaps?

Hope that is not too personal...

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Poster: Dan Russ Date: Sep 28, 2009 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

That’s just it, the heart of the matter as it were - my thinking on the subject of love (in GD songs, JGB, Hunter, etc ) really has nothing to do with a guy /girl relationship, although the lyric may use this as a vehicle. The love I think about with certain songs is really a sort of spiritual love, or longing to be right with whatever the truth of love in this world is. That in itself may sound pretty sappy, but I remember that magic cosmic feeling and that longing that so many songs presented.

Her name, well let’s call her Lady Lullaby.

BTW, upon re-read I see I may have been coming off a bit abrasive. I’m really not so crabby. I should have entered this love song fray with a little more tact and decorum.
Apologies to all. If I Had the World To Give...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2009 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

Oh, not at all Dan! I wouldn't say so...

As to the question I posed, it was because of the depth of feeling behind "carry it to my grave" you posted that I assumed, like so many of us, you had one special situation in which you have always longed for what might have been, etc., etc., that you could tell us her name...I have one, but can't reveal it here.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 28, 2009 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

never cared much for careless love

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2009 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

Exactly! That's what I was getting at...there really aren't any that go on and on about love in and of itself, in a selfcongratulatory fashion like TLEO, IMHO (sorta similar to "My Girl" which if they sang like that, would be okay...).

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 28, 2009 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

I detect a touch of sarcasm in TLEO. This song is about puppy love, but it is written from a wiser man's point-of-view.

The wise man understands what the lovers are feeling AND he knows young lovers are blinded by emotion. Blind to the fact that puppy love is easy, but the road to true love can be rough.

How Sweet It Is is the only love song(performed by GD/JGB) I can think of which has no darker side. Obviously this was a cover tune which was seldom played by GD.

It seems to me that the band chose cover tunes w/ the same slant on love. Never too sweet.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 28, 2009 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

Ah--been many yrs for me to listen to TLEO but I hadn't thought of it having that component...I thought it was straight up embracing the puppy love aspect.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 28, 2009 10:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How many love songs anyhow?

I definitely read TLEO like that as well.

The couple hits it off and everything is gravy, but the love has not yet been tested. The singer offers the advice to look into the future and see where this is going, if anywhere, and hints to get out of there before this whole thing rolls over, so as to say, "Enjoy it, but don't say I didn't warn ya!"